(1619) Almost evening all.
25. The dating of Resurrection Day
Apologies but am going to throw this in as food for thought, then crash, go to bed if you’ll permit. Here goes:
The Synod of Whitby was convened to settle a controversy about the correct method of calculating the date of Easter. Early Christians had probably originally celebrated Easter concurrent with the Jewish Passover (see Passover, Christian holiday), which was held on the fourteenth day of the first lunar month of the Jewish year, called Nisan, the day of the crucifixion according to John 19:14. However, the First Council of Nicaea in 325 decreed that Christians should no longer use the Jewish calendar but should universally celebrate Easter on a Sunday, the day of the resurrection, as had come to be the custom in Rome and Alexandria.[5]
The full moon in the UK was on April 13, 2025, at 01:22 BST. It’s known as the Pink Moon. This full moon is also a supermoon, meaning it will be closer to Earth than usual, making it appear slightly larger and brighter.
USA: It will officially reach its full moon phase at 8:22 p.m. EDT (0022 GMT April 13)
So Seder or lamb or Passover is always full moon.
Jewish sources say Passover in 2025 is:
Evening of Sat, 12 Apr 2025 – Sun, 20 Apr 2025, presumably at dusk.
Last evening therefore started 15 Nisan, day of unleavened bread and lamb.
[12] And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
[13] And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
[14] And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
[15] And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.
[16] And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
[17] And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
However, Jews can’t go anywhere on Shabat, which this year is 14 Nisan so it must be the day before, 13 Nisan, when the lamb is eaten. Or in our terms, 11th April, evening. Thus he is crucified 12th April in the morning, lies in state on our 13th, rises or at least is discovered early on the 14th … tomorrow morning. Hmmmm.
Of course, have the Jews actually got their dates right? Plus it matters not really about 2025 but more what happened when in that year somewhere around AD30. Coming back to 2025, Shabat is evening April 11th till dusk on the 12th. The Passover seder is on the evening of the 12th, also full moon.
That was Jesus’ Last Supper. The crucifixion is commemorated as being early today, our calendar, now in the tomb, inc. our Monday, then on Tuesday, our calendar, He is discovered gone from the tomb. That would be Resurrection Day, were we to follow the Jewish dating, the Jewish calendar. Therefore, Palm Sunday events took place Tuesday just gone.
24. Three numbers for the jazz slot
… not a separate post today, too much going on:
23. Moosh corner
22. Steve and War Room
- Steve Bannon (with Sam Faddis): “The Same Sons Of Bitches That Kissed Xi’s Ass We’re Trying To Kowtow To.”
- “We Have The Ultimate Leverage In Underwriting The Enemy.” Frank Gaffney On War With The CCP
- Propaganda Offensive: Ava Chen On The CCP Promoting “False Pride” Of Chinese People
- 50th Anniversary Of The Fall Of Cambodia: How The Communists Killed 25% Of Population In 3 Months
21. Both on land and in the sky
20. Globopsycho destroying our culture
… any which way they can:
19. IYE
Ta muchly.
18. Need a haircut?
17. Steve at 1020 and coincidence
JH: I was watching Sun Mat too, reviews were good, the main protagonists seemed up to it, though 1940s wisecracking of course … had just reached closing credits and if you’d seen the last five minutes yourself, you’d know why I was hit like a smackeroo blurby right between the eyes when I immediately clicked on NOWP 1020 and here’s what Steve had posted:
I knew nothing about those two items when I started watching the film … well I’d clean forgotten … just coming back now.
24. All good for me again. Played no.2 twice as there is always something about that one, mind wandering over past times.
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JH: For me, a bit close to the bone, n2 … undoubtedly good though.
“the Jewish Passover … was held on the fourteenth day of the first lunar month of the Jewish year”
Nope: that was the expected date. But the festivities needed “first fruits” so if there had been a hard winter the priests would delay the festival. That means that nobody knows the date of the crucifixion with the accuracy pretended to. You can add to that the uncertainty about the ambiguous different accounts in the gospels about how the date of the Last Supper related to the date of Passover and you have a noticeable window of imprecision.
So what Christians actually get is a guess made long ago that has become hallowed by custom. That seems a decent solution to the problem but it’s idle to pretend that you’re dealing with certain knowledge.
Why Christians often seem to know so little about their own religion is a quite different question.
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JH: Quite different questions all in one there. The date as far as current western calendar goes is near impossible to determine, not least because of the barley harvest, the Aviv, but it was still not going to be more than a lunar month, except for blights.
What’s much easier to determine is the relationship between LS and first evening of passover, give or take a day either way. Mark 14: 12 onwards or John 19:14 onwards.That’s more important than exact day/date in a later western calendar.
Synod of Whitby though was just appeasing Rome, making it all convenient for everyone, just as with 1918 Remembrance Sunday, when the Armistice was the 11th.
There’s also a difference between “a guess” … as those careless and/or a priori hostile have made, e.g. pagans, humanists, modern academics … as against an educated estimate … following long and continued scholarship of a timeframe, without hostility or dismissive manner.
Music: I always have a soft spot for Fats. St James was a super version. But I can’t bear “California here I come” even by the estimable Ramblers.
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JH: Yes … even with Rollini, it was not one of their best.