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Was thinking to m’sel at the above time … now what exactly do Andy and other nightowls need at the bottom of their glasses in the middle of the night … I know, a learned youtube on Manichaeism and Gnosticism during the time of Augustine … a full blown debate over Original Sin and Original Guilt, stemming from naughty Adam in the Garden of Eve-den.
Yep, that’s just the thing, just the ticket, to take the night owls through to brekky and DAD’s report from Macronland. So here tis, over a new cuppa coffee:
Free will v Determinism
Firstly free will, as expressed in John 3:16 … we can all be redeemed, we are responsible for our choices as adults and what flows from those. We are not born depraved but innocent, and from that moment, in infancy, are influenced by our situation, e.g. born to a prostitute or raped girl, liable to be drawn into that lost life unless something happens to break you out of it. Or born into a sanctified marriage and therefore trad family upbringing, along with its values.
The Determinists say you cannot escape, therefore the wrong you do is the fault of your bad childhood, therefore you are locked into cycles forever, plus your children’s children. Blacks start talking reparations. In “Christianity”, it means you cannot escape Adam’s and Eve’s sin, you are born depraved, plus it’s predetermined already who is saved and who is not, so no point even trying.
Complication here for free willers is that there are such things as congenital defects and today, that’s especially so with jabbees, those mothers who took the death vaxxes because the hospital pressured or fooled them into protocols. Free willers say yes, that may well be so … your parents transfer much to you but you can fight to minimise, to manage, plus you can be redeemed. How? Well a Christian says through faith that you can be. On the basis that a Certain Person died on a Cross 2000 years ago in order to do away with all other sacrifices.
The Determinist asks, sardonically … oh, so you can do all sorts of sinning during the week, then on Sunday restate your faith, you now say a few hail Marys and you’re free to start sinning again on Monday, are you? If the priest tells you so. The free willer says there are consequences to all your actions, choices. But you can be redeemed through remorse and atonement. Providing you believe you can. If you don’t believe you can, then you won’t be.
I have something to add. I’ve always seen that model of the upwards road and everyone strewn along that road at different levels of understanding as a good model of our path through life. So why would I argue with someone halfway back down the road?
Ah, says the contrary me … so some sort of “special knowledge” of someone further up the road makes them somewhat druidic? Priestly? Superior, as yet hidden knowledge?
The reply to that is that everyone knows more on some things than others, and others know more than I do on other things. People who’ve studied the bible in fine detail know vastly more about it than I do.
But the idea of a pointy hatted clerical conclave further up the road determining my fate like a college of cardinals, a synod or a Masonic Temple of the Illumined, a guild, keepers of the Secret Knowledge … sod off with that idea. In that youtube just now were two chaps, both with a certain knowledge and respectful of the other … that’s it. Hopefully, after their discussion, both have increased that knowledge and will again the next day, in a process of constant learning, until finally shuffling off.
Charlie Kirk’s idea was that it’s never too late, that you have free will to reject what is destructive and forced on you by a college of baddies, e.g. academic staff who themselves only keep their jobs because they obey some other ideological compliance or be destroyed. Incidentally, in a second youtube, I saw that CK was given to wearing flak jacket. If that were so and others knew it, then to kill him, you’d need to hit head or neck, rather than chest or arms.
There were obviously many priestly castes who didn’t like his redemptive message … that those kids did not need to be brainwashed by priestly castes such as govt, globopsycho, the Fabian caste, the deathcult imams or zionists for the truth … Ardern’s single point of truth … they could read the bible for themselves … Gideon had an idea like that … they could reject the moral malaise, the hookup culture, inflated pride, ego, entitlement etc. etc. … the cult of victimhood as well. Big bucks of course.
Cultleaders would not like that, having expended so much money, time and effort to hook entire generations.
Determinists like the Manichaean gnostics, with their dualism of doing equal amounts of good and evil to keep things “balanced” … hence Gates’s “philanthropic” work, as with every other alleged mass murderer of means … these are damned from birth in their eyes and as Svali and others mentioned … they start ensuring their progeny’s depravity and misery from the womb onwards, intergenerationally. No one gets out alive.
The sort of Christianity Augustine had started teaching in the middle period was redemptive, very John 3:16. Forces got to him though in his later period, obviously, and he returned to Manichaeistic gnosticism blended in, in order to corrupt the message. Hence Calvinism.
There’s one more factor for now … trad is a bulwark against “change for the sake of change”. If you’ve had a system which by and large worked, without the situation we see out there now, then the key tenets you obviously protect. To overturn it, you need a new, corrosive, compulsory ideological straitjacket, imposed from above, vast resources expended to impose it, draconian punishments for resisting … and all the while, the new stasi congratulate each other on being so tolerant. Douglas Adams summed it up with the robots of Krikkit … extermination of all life forms not Krikkit.
Whilst dedicated to soft live, peace and mutual understanding … so sod off, you others … you’re all going to die.