Thursday [17 till close of play]

(1435) Afternoon all. (1902) Also evening.

 

22. Hat tip Toodles

21. Inconclusive but still interesting


20. Mengele’s heirs


19. Policy “creep” is the right description


18. We wait


17. Just saw this

“Pam Bondi was Florida’s attorney general 2011-2019. The same time Epstein’s flight logs became public. Victims’ were filing lawsuits, Evidence was pouring in against Epstein…. Pam Bondi never launched a probe or took up the case.”

Now, what were the key features in her resume which attracted the Donald? Prettiness? Asking for a friend.

14 replies on “Thursday [17 till close of play]”

  1. 17. She’s a wrong’un, imo.
    Worth a reminder
    “The nomination of former Florida AG Pam Bondi for the position of U.S. Attorney General is a big mistake; not for the corrupt background of Bondi that we presume President Trump is not aware of, but rather for the background of Pam Bondi the Deep Swamp is almost certainly aware of….”
    The Zimmerman case
    https://stateofthenation.info/?p=5000

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  3. Bondo queen- I warned when she was nominated as being a BAD one.
    NOT a real American

    In the same time frame, I warned against musk rhat, the injuns and influence of those “special ones” with citric man.

    the kebabs ( or is it kuh bads?) nd hardcore muzz eyes are pushing for “their savior” to rapidly materialize.

    some know him as the aunt E ku ricet.

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  4. 20. Mengele’s heirs

    I lost my source- but public online info.

    directors, board members of misty camp were in charge of local water management governmeant agencies also.

    also,
    recently, the kamp also became a refuge for, among others-
    governmeant whistleblower families, child/s+x abuse victims and more.
    needless to say, those persons are dead/missing (with others of course), and the computers with much documentation of specific details were “washed away”.
    possible.
    big coinky it seems.
    tmw I will try to find those materials.
    so, use much salt until then.

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  5. Changing the subject-
    I don’t use any social media.
    I don’t subscribe/join anything.

    i use multi-layered security protocols.
    Am very old school. I very believe in privacy.
    Except betwee ne and G-d in three persons.

    any app that even offers AI, I delete.
    when no OS will run unless you use AI,
    I will disappear from the world wide spider wrb.

    I had to notice, how many “posts” have the grock symbol.
    y is that seemingly essential?

    the Rhat requires you use it to post?
    it is free advertising?
    it’s baked wholly into his version of the beast system?
    I am not a luddite.
    just trying to understand.

    Thanks

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  8. Never watched Ben, though aware of.
    Temporarily impressed by though.
    gonna check his bona fides…

    he mentioned the condo/apt in joo york.
    who actually owned that property? (hint- you ess guv).
    who chose the stine to access it? (hint-same answer).
    why would they do that?
    🤔

    sdny-
    whose daughter operates from there?
    why diddly nd wine stain nd similar “cases” are “tried there”?
    even citric man’s.
    ka boo key theater?
    reminds me of ELP’s intro to a song-
    welcome back my friends to a show that never ends. come inside, come inside…

    that rhat guy-

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-07-09/neo-fascist-ideologue-shaping-america-party

    The Neo-Fascist Ideologue Shaping The America Party

    blueapples’s Photo
    BY BLUEAPPLES
    THURSDAY, JUL 10, 2025 – 19:00
    Following the calamitous end of a star-crossed relationship that imploded with the magnitude of a supernova, Elon Musk’s departure from the inner circle of President Donald Trump may serve as the line of demarcation for a new chapter in American history. Based on Musk’s recent announcement of his intention to fund a new third party that will run candidates for congressional offices as soon as the 2026 Midterm Elections, his goal is aimed at disrupting the false dichotomy of the two-party political construct that a growing number of Americans are no longer fooled by the illusion of.

    Although the overwhelming majority of Americans are still beholden to the Democrat-Republican axis, a demographic of the electorate that sees through its facade looks to galvanize itself against the uniparty under the auspices of Musk’s America Party. That optimism may be premature following a revelation about the ideologue Musk has tapped into for guidance on the formation of his populist political vehicle. That influence over Musk’s decision making serves as an ominous portent foreshadowing what may be the futile fate of the people who hope the America Party will free them from the shackles imposed by a ruling elite operating in a manner antithetical to the American ethos.

    Peter Thiel and JD Vance love a strange blogger. His name is Curtis Yarvin and he wants to replace democracy with a tech CEO dictatorship. pic.twitter.com/EmS44PhnTm

    — More Perfect Union (@MorePerfectUS) June 18, 2025
    Although Musk has declared that the impetus of his drive to launch a new option for American voters is to put democracy back into their hands, the brain trust guiding his mission espouses a political philosophy diametrically opposed to that aim. Musk has turned to Curtis Yarvin for advice on the direction to take the America Party in. Yarvin, a far-right Jewish political theorist and software developer, who has gone by the pseudonym Mencius Moldbug for some God forsaken reason, is known for his role in founding a technocratic neo-fascist philosophical movement referred to as the Dark Enlightenment. The Dark Enlightenment has served as the basis for the vision driving a new technocratic class of elitists whose growing imprint is evident on the newly emerging American political landscape.

    The anti-democratic principles of Yarvin’s political ideology are so evident that he has openly stated his belief that American democracy is a failed experiment that should be replaced by an technocratic monarchy which he believes could be held to a higher standard of accountability. In proclaiming that view, Yarvin has claimed that America needs a CEO to run it, equating a CEO with a dictator by stating there is no difference between the two roles. Yarvin has gone as far as stating that “if Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia.”

    While parts of Yarvin’s criticism of democracy may be valid in-and-of themselves, they are entirely at odds with what Musk has described as his motivation for forming the America Party. That contradiction raises serious doubts over the authenticity of Musk’s purported mission to serve the American people by starting a third party to disrupt business as usual in the corrupt cesspool that is Washington DC.

    In a January interview with the New York Times, Yarvin stated “I can’t really resist trolling Elon Musk,” making the America Party founder’s decision to entrust the equally enigmatic and controversial political theorist a perplexing exercise of judgment. Yarvin has been outspoken about his criticism of the Musk-led efforts of the Department of Government Efficiency, stating that it did not do enough to deconstruct the bureaucracy undermining the American people. However, the constraints placed on DOGE also played a profound role on the deterioration of the relationship between Musk and President Trump, signalling that the Tesla CEO shares Yarvin’s sentiment.

    If you’ve never heard of Curtis Yarvin, this is all you need to know about him pic.twitter.com/4ticjaDCIa

    — GoyaBeanGroyper (@goyabeangroyper) January 18, 2025
    Musk is not the only prominent technocratic magnate shaping the future of America’s political landscape who Yarvin has helped shape the worldview of. Republican megadonor and longtime Trump supporter Peter Thiel has also expressed support for Yarvin and his political theories. In 2013, Thiel’s venture capital firm Founders Fund funded Tlon Corp, a San Fransisco-based startup created to advance a decentralized computer platform co-founded by Yarvin. In 2016, Yarvin boasted that he had been coaching Thiel on his efforts to expand his influence within the conservative faction of the US political paradigm. Since 2016, Thiel has emerged as one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and embedded his companies like Palantir and acolytes like JD Vance deep into the president’s second administration with Yarvin’s encouragement. Yarvin admitted that Thiel’s influence on him was reciprocal as Thiel was formative on the development of Yarvin’s own political philosophy, citing a 2009 essay by the Palantir co-founder in which he wrote “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible,” a message that succinctly summarizes the foundational tenet of the Dark Enlightenment.

    The idea that democracy is not compatible with freedom is an ages-old belief with as much merit as it has history. In the present epoch, the dictatorship of the majority makes democratic systems like that of the American Republic self defeating, as the 51% or more in power leverage their hegemony to rule with the same iron first of a tyrant. Many of history’s greatest minds, whose influence has transcended states and even whole civilizations, have lamented the perils of democracy and the fallacy of the sanctity it has been regarded with. While those thinkers have had no issue expressing their disdain, constructing a valid alternative has remained elusive. Nevertheless, history is replete with examples of great minds challenging the existing democratic paradigms of their respective eras.

    Ancient Greek thinkers like Socrates and Plato hated democratic elections.

    They saw democracy as part of an endless cycle of regimes — destined to slip into mob rule.

    But Polybius knew how to break the cycle… (thread) 🧵 pic.twitter.com/yeZUKGiSrq

    — The Culturist (@the_culturist_) November 1, 2024
    The immortal Greek philosopher Plato rued democracy under the pretense that the general populous was not equipped to make informed decisions, a belief his student Aristotle carried on, albeit from a more moderate position than his predecessor. Thucydides, the Greek historian who chronicled the Peloponnesian War which led to the downfall of the Athenian democracy foreshadowed the perils of democracy that have befallen the American experiment over 2 millennia ago. He wrote that one of democracy’s fatal flaws was that it failed to exalt the truth above all else, instead favoring demagoguery that empowered itself by manipulating the will of the masses that democracy vested its legitimacy upon. Those words characterize the modern state of western civilization prophetically, giving momentum to the emergence of iconoclasts like Yarvin.

    Despite the valid criticisms of democracy echoed throughout the ages, a new paradigm that seeks to replace a democratic system is not immunized against those same flaws simply because democracy itself is fundamentally problematic. The fact that democracy is deeply flawed does not inherently make the vision held by the likes of Yarvin and his acolytes a panacea for those ills. If anything, the emergence of the influence of the Dark Enlightenment on the landscape of American politics has amplified the forces that have eroded the fabric of the American ideal. Palantir and its increasing influence over both the second Trump administration and America’s new right-wing has led to support for the an unconstitutional expansion of the surveillance state as well as empowered the bureaucracy that the likes of Yarvin are so critical of by placing its power into the hands of a technocratic elite who have done more to use the flaws of democracy to their advantage than to cure the social ills that metastasize from it.

    CIA can’t operate without it.
    Pentagon can’t function without it.
    And Wall Street can’t trade without it.

    Yet most people have no idea about what Palantir does.

    How the Government let a $300 Billion surveillance company track you everywhere 🧵 pic.twitter.com/0DCeId4brz

    — Alex Vacca (@itsalexvacca) June 4, 2025
    The meeting of the minds between Musk and Yarvin is a microcosm of the paradoxical relationship between the Dark Enlightenment and the emergence of a populist third party designed to put power back into the hands of the common man. That contradiction is apparent as many of the views Yarvin is a proponent of have already taken shape under the second Trump administration, alienating longstanding supporters of it. That detrimental impact is evident by the emergence of technocratic influence over its policymaking and key figures within the Executive Branch, including Vice President JD Vance, who himself has admitted to being heavily influenced by Yarvin’s philosophy and whose political ascent was made possible by Thiel.

    In 2021, then-Senator JD Vance spoke glowingly of Yarvin en route to solidifying his claim to the vice presidency, stating “There’s this guy Curtis Yarvin, who has written about some of these things” before explaining how he thought Yarvin’s views should shape the next presidential administration. “I think Trump is going to run again in 2024 and I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.” Those remarks highlight how their pursuit of reshaping America’s political system is less about bringing a paradigm shift aimed at making America great again and more about creating upheaval in the system in place to put control of it into the hands of a new ruling class. That aim proves how the philosophy of the Dark Enlightenment is not based in a noble ideal but instead in the mission of consolidating power under the hegemony of its visionaries and their puppets.

    Q: “Aside from elections, how do we rip out this leadership class?”

    JD Vance: “There’s this guy, Curtis Yarvin…”

    Curtis Yarvin: “If Americans want to change their government they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia.” pic.twitter.com/rjzPOvR82g

    — Blue Georgia (@BlueATLGeorgia) April 15, 2025
    While the likes of Yarvin and Thiel grandiosely see themselves as the vanguard leading the charge to save humanity, that inflated sense of self-worth deludes them from seeing how the worldview they express is not as original as they believe it to be. Musk himself proved how stale the ideas driving the Dark Enlightenment are at the Wall Street Journal CEO Council Summit in 2020, which he took part in shortly after casting his ballot in the 2020 Presidential Election for Joe Biden, when he said “I think its a false dichotomy to look at government and sort of industry as separate….government is….the ultimate corporation.”

    Musks remarks at the WSJ summit highlight how the Dark Enlightenment is less of a new political vision and more of a repackaged version of fascism designed by a cadre of semi-autistic tech bros who would be incels if not for amassing enormous fortunes which have allowed them to attain whatever their hearts desire. As they set their yearning on even more control over the social systems determining the course of history, they have signaled that doing so is predicated upon advancing a technocratic form of neo-fascism that has gained support by concealing itself behind the American flag. That dynamic raises insurmountable doubt over the legitimacy of the cause Musk has stated is behind the America Party, indicating that him taking up a patriotic tone is more deeply rooted in a sense of political expediency than a love for his country.

    Ironically, that hypocrisy is equally as evident in the crumbling facade that Trump’s Make America Great Again movement has hidden behind, which has seen itself go from promising to eliminate the Deep State to instead co-opting it to serve its own agenda. While Trump was able to maintain that facade long enough to see himself elected to the White House twice, it seems that Elon Musk’s America Party has already shown that fatal flaw before it has even started.

    Contributor posts published on Zero Hedge do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Zero Hedge, and are not selected, edited or screened by Zero Hedge editors.

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  9. for your consideration:

    An Indian American Sensitive To Overrepresentation
    When Walther Rathenau asked Hamburg banker Max Warburg to serve as finance minister in the Weimar government in early 1922, Warburg refused, saying that “two Jewish ministers would be too much for Germany.” The comment captured an old-world fear that a talented but numerically small minority might trigger backlash if its public profile grew too visible — a fear tragically vindicated months later when Rathenau was assassinated.

    A century on, a similar demographic asymmetry shapes life in the United States. Jews and Indian-Americans are each less than 3 % of the population yet sit at the top of most socioeconomic charts. While both Indian-Americans and Jews have ties to ethnostates in conflict with Muslim neighbors, there’s a major difference: Israel has a relatively tiny population, while India has the largest population in the world. In a recent threat on X, Indian-American engineer, entrepreneur, and venture capitalist Balaji Srinivasan kept those billion+ Indians in mind when he expressed a sensitivity about overrepresentation reminiscent of Rathenau’s. He suggested Indians ought to be “air gapped” from Americans on social media:

    If X wants to retain both its American and Indian users, it might try to recommend American posts to Americans and Indian posts to Indians, rather than fomenting conflict where there was none before…

    [Y]ou assume incorrectly that airgapping is bad for getting your voice out there as an American. But recall that there are only 77M MAGA but 1.4B from India. In the absence of airgapping, you will eventually be overwhelmed on every thread by English-speaking Indians, who will soon represent the majority of English speakers online (if they aren’t already). That will be extremely painful, for you.

    Srinivasan expressed a similar sensitivity toward MAGA Americans in another post yesterday, which I have shared in full below.

    Authored by Balaji Srinivasan on X

    Sympathy For The White American Conservative
    I’m actually pretty sympathetic to the white American conservative. They were subject to countless slings and arrows over the last several decades, from constant insults to racial quotas, with an extraordinary escalation once wokeness really got underway in 2013.

    Over the course of decades they tried all manner of parley with the left, sending many good guys like Mitt Romney, only to find their outstretched hands repeatedly thrown back in their face. So, eventually they just elected Trump. And then even Trump was constantly impeached and undermined during his first term.

    After that, and the political prosecutions, and the assassination attempts, and the Biden inflation, and the open borders…any residual feeling of charity is gone. Trump voters feel forced to become meaner than they ever wanted to be.

    This extends down from the political realm to the personal, where young American men now quickly learn that nice guys finish last in their post-apocalyptic social landscape.

    With inflation hitting them economically, Tinderification hitting them socially, open borders hitting them demographically, and China hitting them economically, the MAGA man is understandably radicalized politically.

    So: even if I disagree with specific policy moves, even if I think much of what’s happening is actually accelerating the decline rather than reversing it, I do understand why they’re doing it.

    The American right believes that the hour is late, and that a Hail Mary effort in the form of mass deportation and reindustrialization can restore the country of 1945, or maybe 1991, or something like that.

    Personally, I don’t believe this Hail Mary can succeed. But neither do I wish to stand in the way. This is their big thing, and they are going to give it the college try, and then we will see what happens on the other side.

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  11. continuing with fusa’s mire:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/07/10/a-significant-geopolitical-problem-for-president-trump-and-us/#more-273979

    A Significant Geopolitical Problem for President Trump and Us

    Secretary of State Marco Rubio met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the sidelines of a meeting of foreign ministers from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Kuala Lumpur today. Against the backdrop of multiple questions to him about the outcome of their discussion, let us first discuss the problem being avoided.

    In the mind of President Putin, and in the growing awareness of the American electorate, the President of the United States does not control the Intelligence Community. It is entirely possible for the USIC to take America deeper toward war despite the President and people of America not wanting that to happen. Putin is simply prepared for that outcome.

    This reality explains a dynamic where President Trump engages with President Putin in an effort to stop the war in Ukraine, yet President Putin continues the war in Ukraine; because ultimately he knows President Trump does not control the elements that facilitate the Ukraine military.

    People struggle to accept this dynamic. However, I would remind everyone that right now YOU are paying for the entire government of Ukraine to exist. Including the Ukraine govt payrolls, retirement benefits, healthcare and operational budget of Ukraine overall.

    Americans do not want to pay for that. President Trump does not want to pay for that. Yet, here we are, paying for that.

    The same inertia process applies to the literal Ukraine war and conflict with Russia.

    You might not want it. President Trump might not want it. Yet, here again we are providing weapons, intelligence, satellite communication, personnel and systems for the war.

    This is the reality of the situation regardless of your/my willingness to accept it. This reality is what President Vladimir Putin discusses and accepts.

    The problem for President Trump is not that this reality exists; the bigger political problem for President Trump is that people are increasingly becoming aware of this reality.

    Now, many people are recently arguing against this reality. However, these are the same voices who previously stated President Trump could unilaterally declassify information within the same silo process that is designed to control his declassification authority. Empirically, and in reality, these voices are wrong.

    Something needs to change. That something is generally that President Trump has to either: 1. admit publicly he does not control the U.S. Intelligence Community (very ugly); or 2. take control of that intelligence community (even uglier).

    In this element of consideration you would be well served to insert the recent experience of Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard; who, intentionally or not, opened the pandora’s box containing this issue, and look what happened to her.

    There was a reason DNI Tulsi Gabbard sat silently recently in the very public Cabinet meeting. I will return to this in a moment.

    [SIDE NOTE: Those who deny this reality are likely of a disposition that reconciled advice by those who said COVID-19 virus could attack you standing standing at a bar, but would not approach you sitting down. The COVID virus would attack you in the paint section at WalMart, but not in the grocery aisles, etc.

    Every COVID-19 mitigation pronouncement was ridiculously silly, yet people not only believed it, they followed it. The non-pretending tribe did not. For whatever reason you might attribute, the reality of that COVID-19 experience highlighted that the non-pretending tribe within American is in the minority. The pretenders included politicians, healthcare workers, most doctors, police, law enforcement and most Americans (70% vaccinated). END NOTE]

    ♦ President Trump does not have control over the USIC activity in Ukraine. If he did, he would have been fully aware of the drone strikes against the Russian strategic bomber fleet before it was carried out. By his own admission he did not know.

    Prior to the increased attacks, Russian President Vladimir Putin correctly noted that Ukraine does not have the military capability, the satellite communication and guidance systems to continue carrying out strikes deep into Russia. Therefore, from the perspective of Putin, as these strikes continued they were facilitated by NATO. Ergo, NATO was factually attacking Russia, albeit using Ukraine as the proxy for it. Again, Putin with clear eyes on reality.

    Into this pretending/non-pretending world, in a remarkable statement of candor we also saw Secretary of State Marco Rubio accurately -and honestly- say five months ago the Ukraine conflict was a proxy war for the USA against Russia.

    Now, fast forward to today. The reality is the proxy war, Rubio outlined so eloquently, continues. Simultaneously, neither he nor President Trump has any control over the USIC that is carrying it out. Yet, Secretary Rubio has to sit down with Foreign Minister Lavrov and either (a) be honest, or (b) pretend.

    (at the link is a video of Rubio talking)

    [Rubio brought up a good point. Germany, UK, France and Spain all have Patriot battery’s they can spare. However, they are refusing to give them to Ukraine. I wonder why.]

    Back to the point – Again, President Trump and Secretary Rubio seem to have two options: 1. Admit their lack of control, or 2. Take control.

    ♦ The first option is obviously the easiest, admit the President of the United States does not have full control over the U.S. Intelligence Community. However, that comes with severe ramifications.

    Flip it. Look at the dynamic from the outside. Imagine Emmanuel Macron or Abdel Fattah al-Sisi saying they no longer have operational control over their intelligence agencies, and those agencies have gone rogue. What would you think of France or Egypt?

    Now imagine if the President of the USA made such a statement. How would the world react? What would happen to the dollar? How weak would President Trump look?

    Thus, there is extreme pressure to maintain a premise.

    Think about the recent experience of DNI Gabbard, and accept those types of consequences are exactly what the USIC rely upon to maintain their power and control. Open, even briefly, the Pandora’s Box that hides reality and massive alarms are immediately triggered to isolate, ridicule and marginalize the truth teller.

    The people around President Trump have a vested interest in keeping that Pandora’s Box closed. Which brings us to the second option…. ‘Take control.’

    ♦ Factually, no one knows what “taking control” would look like.

    Who exactly would enforce compliance and bring the USIC to heel? Tulsi was burned just nibbling around the edge of it. What would be the reaction from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and more importantly what would be the response from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; ironically the former silo chaired by Rubio.

    Would President Donald Trump reach the same fate as President John F Kennedy? Perhaps not, if a very public process was instituted where President Trump said exactly what the situation was. However, that approach simply goes back to point #1.

    See the problem?

    Let’s talk about Tulsi Gabbard’s silence at the cabinet meeting, and role play for a moment as a Gordian Knot cutter.

    Imagine a journalist who says: “Mr. President, thank you for the transparency you provide in allowing us to be with you and your cabinet during these meetings. If I may ask a question with a brief follow up?”

    Question: “Mr President, do you feel you have full control over the intelligence agencies of our government?“

    [Anticipated Response]: “I think so, at least I would hope that is the case” (or something similar).

    Question: “Thank you. With that in mind, what specifically provides you with the sense of assurance you do have full control over the USIC?” … AND… “Would you also permit DNI Tulsi Gabbard to answer that question?“

    Imagine what would follow that brief line of questioning. If the imaginary journalist were so inclined, he/she could also follow up with simple examples, like President Trump having no prior knowledge of the Ukraine drone strikes into Russia etc.

    My point is that absent of President Trump taking some action that begins the process -against the interests and advice of his protective advisors- it is going to take an external element in this dynamic to trigger a change in the situation; for better, for uglier, or for worse.

    The people around the office of the President are not going to want to touch this issue…

    ….Just ask Tulsi.

    there is only one way out.
    only one solution

    Jesus the Christ

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